1. La Controversia de Carol Sturka: ¿Antihéroe o Mujer Problemática?
Muchos usuarios debaten si la antipatía hacia la protagonista, Carol, se debe a su carácter o a su género, contrastándola con la aceptación de antihéroes masculinos como Walter White o Tony Soprano.
- Shout-out to reviewers and podcasters posing the question if you liked unlikeable protagonists like tony soprano, walter white, patrick bateman. And youve watched pluribus and you dont like unlikeable protagonist carol sturka. Any chance its because shes a woman?
- I think its interesting that pluribus is getting a lot of criticism for how unlikable the main character is. Vince gilligan can make a character be a drug peddling murderer and everyone will love him, but god forbid a woman be emotional.
- I find it genuinely interesting that so many people who were engaged by outright sociopaths like tony soprano and walter white cant bear to watch an antisocial but deeply moral character like the protagonist of pluribus. And i wonder how much of it is just cover for dismissing a womanlesbian.
- Glad to see that the dudes who hated skyler white are still out there calling a grieving woman who just had her life upended angry and unlikeable while being totes chill over make chars who are angry or make bad choices. If this isnt you, keep on moving.
2. Temas Centrales: Resistencia al Colectivismo y Críticas de Género.
La trama de 'Pluribus' es vista como una lucha entre el individualismo occidental (representado por Carol) y un colectivo global unificado, lo que genera discusiones sobre el privilegio blanco y el feminismo.
- Pluribus is a show about a woman finding out something fucked up and telling everyone this is fucked up and everyone says its actually not that fucked up so she goes home and drinks an entire bottle of wine.
- I love pluribus, a show where the entire world turns into people-pleasing, rule-following autistics overnight, and a grumpy neurotypical woman cant stand it.
- I think this is maybe the most media-illiterate criticism of the show lol. Literally nothing about her behavior is the karen archetype some people just see middle-aged woman and cannot view her as a person.
- I think pluribus should end with all the men in the world dying, carol becomes other-ized, and the world sings im every woman.
3. Elenco y Dirección: Elogios a Rhea Seehorn y Vince Gilligan.
La actuación de Rhea Seehorn (Carol) recibe constantes elogios, y muchos usuarios expresan lealtad a Vince Gilligan por su historial, aunque algunos dudan de su manejo de personajes femeninos.
- Pluribus exists to give rhea a statue. Vince has created this entire concept just to go you nincompoops! you scoundrals! you lunkheads! give this fucking woman a goddamn award.
- Beyond how good the writing of pluribus is, can i just say as a queer woman that rhea seehorn was born to play a curmudgeonly lesbian.
- I could write a book on criticisms of how women are written for his shows, especially breaking bad, but its interesting to see so much hate already for carol.
- Rhea seehorn does amazing viscerally unpleasant white woman, there are microexpressions in her disdain that send me straight back to working retail.
4. Identidad y Relaciones: Queeridad y Trauma.
Se destaca la identidad queer de Carol y cómo su trauma (incluida la muerte de su esposa) influye en su rechazo al mundo unificado, generando interés en su relación con otros personajes como Zosia.
- I really appreciate pluribus for centering on a queer woman who sucks and is useless and who everyone hates.
- I think a lot of carols resentment for her work stems from her decision to change the main love interest from a woman to a man and how thats made her feel about her work and herself as a queer woman.
- Zosia carol shippers not hivecarol, specifically zosiacarol are fascinating to me because like. Carol does not know this woman and simply keeps torturing her.
- A closeted queer woman contends with her grief, alongside the complete erosion of her private life and independence. Her world is over, and everybody knows. But nobody understands.
5. Reacciones y Comparaciones con Otras Obras.
Los usuarios comparan constantemente 'Pluribus' con 'Breaking Bad', 'Better Call Saul' y 'The Leftovers', y señalan la tendencia a criticar a las mujeres complejas en pantalla.
- I dont want to live on the same planet as the people who dislike carol from pluribus. Its the skyler white thing all over again woman is upset because the planet was turned into a hivemind against its will and her wife was killed.
- So far, for me, pluribus is not a patch on leftovers. Theyre v much the same genre but leftovers has a much better premise and is able to tell a really vivid and moving story of societal trauma after total global disrupt.
- I think pluribus would be better if it had an episode for each uninfected character rather than the focus on the most miserable one.
- I forgot the joy of vtuber debuts until i watched a woman fleeing an olive garden on horseback chased by the homunculus gf she built with chat earlier.