87. Reinvención de James Bond: El Debate sobre la Era de la Guerra Fría y el Futuro del Espionaje

1. El Llamado a un James Bond de Época: Regreso a la Guerra Fría.

Una gran parte de las discusiones gira en torno a la idea de que James Bond es un producto intrínseco de la Guerra Fría y que su relevancia se diluye en los conflictos modernos. Muchos abogan por un reinicio completo de la franquicia, ambientándola en la década de 1960 o durante el apogeo de la Guerra Fría, para capturar la esencia original del personaje y diferenciarlo de las películas de espías contemporáneas.

• You just reboot the franchise with a new actor again. This time i want them to set it during the cold war again. Im tired of modern conflicts. I think its okay to make bond a period piece.
• Id prefer a full-on period piece at this point. Go back to the cold war era. Have the americans vibes. It would really set bond apart from all the other modern spy movies we have.
• Bond writers are dumb. Ryans take and hollys take were correct. Imo if these writers had probs narratively, easiest thing in the world is to literally reboot the whole thing and have it set in the cold war high production retro look. Not unlike sherlock holmes, bond is best in his era.
• Yes, absolutely set it during the cold war! bond is absolutely best for the cold war! the idea of continuity with james bond films is hilarious, anyway.
• I want a retro bond reboot. Sixties fashions and cars, cold war politics. Just start all over. But dont remake previous movies. Give me new missions of 1960s bond.
• Just go straight to the options everyone kept talking about years ago ww2 naval intelligence bond, or cold war classic don draper bond in the late 1950s-early 1960s, when the whole thing was actually supposed to be happening, bookwise.
• The people yearn for a realistic non-camp bond film set during the height of the cold war. Show us 007 garroting some lubyanka guards and then a car chase in a lada niva. We are very simple. This is what we demand.
• If it were me id just start a new continuity again and take it back to the 50s. Pan am flights, cold war missions, grounded stakes.
• The novel casino royale was set in the cold war and the rest of craigs bond movies flow from that he was visiting vespers grave in the last one, so connection established.
• Goldeneye at 30 how the 1995 film kicked off pierce brosnans 007 era and reinvented james bond as a post-cold war hero goldeneye at 30 how the 1995 film kicked off pierce brosnans 007 era and reinvented james bond as a post-cold war hero by neo2199.
• My impulse would be to immediately return to campy cold-war shenanigans with volcano bases, quirky henchmen and spy gadgets. But without physical ken adam sets, practical effects and harold sakarta actually decapitating the statue with the bowler hat, it would still lack the magic.
• I miss the mystique, style intellectualism of cold war spies like kim philby, anthony blunt guy burgess. Farage his dumb ilk sell a country down the river for a packet of fags a couple of pints of timmy taylors dark mild.
• The same bond who went to space, got married, served in both pre and post cold war europe and then became a pow in north korea while 911 happened!
• For cold war reasons, it was a expedient to give the impression that it was the same james bond. By the 1990s this was no longer needed. However, it was the case that mi6 tended to rely on the special boat service as opposed to the sas, mi5 and sis for its agents.
• But the craig movies are their own self-contained separate story. And theyve rebooted the continuity in the books a lot. Carte blanche updated bonds past from serving in ww2 to moving him to the gulf war and made q a computer ai thing.
• The cold war x time travel when an intelligence agent is framed for the uks role in a temporal disaster, he must clear his name and seal a lethal time rift - before a russian spy from the future gets everyone killed. Fifrevpit mockpit.
• It wasnt a problem when he got irradiated, went to space, was in the navy in ww2, was japanese for a bit, got married twice, was also active during the cold war, but also somehow still alive in 2010.
• Also, in goldeneye judi dench calls bronhon a sexist, misogynist dinosaur, a relic of the cold war and you couldnt accuse any other bonds of being like that. They must be different. Cough.
• And yet somehow, he remained youthful enough to be an active field agent from the early cold war all the way through the digital age and changed his appearance multiple times.
• Using the superior method would have saved you something in case we have a drop from the possible war event. End of april, if you saw the charts, bonds were starting to come down and treasuries were also coming down. Youd be sitting in cash, if you knew technical chart reading.
• It welcome to derry is fine i think theirs something to using pennwise as a metaphor for the cold war i wish the hammered in on that more then just using it as fodder for the kingverse tbh.
• Check out my theatre review of the comedy about spies - 5 review! if you like your comedy chaotic with a side of dodgy accents, mischiefs the comedy about spies is your next theatrical fix. This cold war comedy of trademark slapstick mayhem sees carry on meet mission impossible!
• Capsule 2015 tmdb score 51 guy is an experienced british fighter pilot who is in command of britains first manned mission to space. He has trained for this for three years at the height of the cold war and now he is alone in space with a malfunctioning capsule. He has limited contact with the.
• I vaguely remember an article in an old wga magazine from a veteran tv writer who claimed he sold some variation of the guns of navarone to a dozen western, spy, war, sci-fi and action shows in the 1960s-1970s. I have no trouble believing it. I wonder if he wrote the battlestar galactica one.
• If you know youve been cancelled you can just break canon at the end of season 3 and have harry hermione sprint back to 1950 or whatever to steal the infantvtom riddle and leave him with a much nicer home to grow up in, resetting the timeline averting the whole war!
• Tbqh the funny thing i recall is that you had a proposed burke stretch in the late 80searly 90s for flight ii of ilke arnd 10 length but that died bc of the end of the cold war.
• I am so glad weve emerged from the olden times and dont have to worry about like the bentshank king being deposed by a nephew born with tertiary syphilis who lives for twenty eight days but starts a war that lasts a century over rat pelts. So glad our guys went to college and wear suits stuff.
• What if noir wasnt just a result of anti-monopoly and war footage weakening studio censorship, but also an early symptom of the belief that american economic supremacy was permanent, so smart americans could afford to despise american community - see also the lottery, etc.
• Someone should release a really good war of the roses computer game so bored billionaires could play that instead of trying to provoke unrest in the uk.
• Bluesky is always fighting about some shit but watching power users go to war about whether or not rogue one is good might be the best fight ive seen here yet lol.
• I love the classics red riding hood, frankenstein, dracula, werewolf, vampires, snow white, robin hood, cinderella, batman and robin, star war, star-trek, etc. But, hasta cuando maria remolá? its time for our generation to start our own classics.
• If the hindenburg disaster hadnt happened and world war ii hadnt pushed airplanes forward. Maybe airships would have become our ocean liners of the airslow, elegant, and timelessturning travel into an experience rather than a race.
• Connery and moores bonds trained together after the war - but moore was in military intelligence in various colonial outposts.
• Moore takes up the job, holds it for a good while, but retires after he feels a bit too old. Dalton takes up the job, goes on an unauthorized revenge mission, gets fired. A pause as the end of the cold war is sorted out, brosnan takes up the job.
• If it wasnt completely stupid a modern take on old mercenary shit could be fun like do a world war future setting and after it in the chaos you just have these pmcs do protection rackets to ruined countries.
• But horowitz is one of my favorite writers. And, he wrote the foyles war series, too. Hes brilliant and meticulous, with a tremendous imagination, which is likely one reason he was chosen to do the fleming books.
• Nah, hes still perfect the way he is. And would make an excellent mentor for their 20yo rebellious son who is keen to crack down on the smuggling of artifacts to london - the activities of which unleash a curse on the city, sending them into a post-war terror. First the blitz, and now this.
• Cinema sins level of brainrot have completely overtaken hollyweird. Literacy is dead, in favor of weaponized nostalgia with centrist narratives. They went after the simpsons, superheroes, lord of the rings, star war and trek, now looks like bond is next to be defanged.
• Was there a proclamation signed after the war that the british would be cast in every american film and television show for the remainder of humanity? i think there was.
• Ive been worried that the transition from contempory story to a period piece would be insurmountable, once the audience was no longer steeped in the cold war mindset. Gen x danny strong for the win!
• Bondtinuity is a hilariously stupid idea. Yeah this is the same guy who was a naval commander in world war 2, hes still running around shagging and driving sports cars when the iron curtain falls. His partner and best friend, 006, was a baby when he was a commander. He was in north korean prison.
• Ian flemings naval intelligence war work was secret then - and much of it still is. Alan bardos investigates for historia. He shows how it inspired the james bond books and alans own latest wwii spy thriller, hunter class. Find out more at historiamag.comian-fleming-.
• The kingsman 2021 in the early years of the 20th century, the kingsman agency is formed to stand against a cabal plotting a war to wipe out millions of people. Spymovies filmsky moviesky trailer.
• The true test of bond isnt resurrecting him bodily. Its resurrecting him with purpose and meaning in a world that has evolved past his cold war origins. Who is bond now? why is bond necessary now? sherlock holmes was killed off and brought back, more successful than ever. 6x.
• James bond being afraid to be goofy post austin powers and moving past the cold war were deep cuts send post.
• Also im old enough that i burst out laughing when judi dench said in casino royale, christ, i miss the cold war!, i really cant see what the franchise has to offer for anyone younger.
• Similar events happened but dalton and craig have too much post cold war ennui to be connery and moore.
• James bond was about during the cold war, eh? and one of the main things that they kept as kompromat on spies was gay sex, often by entrapment. Bond would definitely have seduced a dude for queen and country. The kinkier the encounter, the more compromising. Bond bloke bonking bondage for accuracy!
• I think the big struggle will be how do you have bond without the british empire. The craig era leaned into the us-uk tension w the war on terror melieu. But were now post-war on terror the special relationship has cooled. Bond is the stilleto up britannias sleeve. But can she use it?
• Well, that and the fact that bond kind of has to be a public school oxbridge man, but maybe rassilon de-aged somehow during the war.
• If were gonna reboot, go all in. Set the amazon project all the way back in the cold war where the super spy genre was born.
• The solution to the james bond problem is wait to see how first light goes and take it from there. Star war brought back palpatine with a fortnite event, the washed franchise otakus can live with a continuity reboot from a video game.
• Daniel craigs bond was a neophyte agent, just granted 00 status, in 2006, after a decades-long cold war career. What continuity? if they absolutely insist they can just have a new agent take on the 007 code name, who just happens to be one of james numerous unacknowledged children jane bond.
• Extra dumb when pierce bond is yapping about how times changed since the cold war and how new m judi dench is like rude about him or something in goldeneye and craig bond is a rookie 00 agent in 2006, promoted by.judi dench?
• Russias shadow war wont stay hidden forever the creator of james bond, the naval intelligence officer ian fleming, had a keen understanding of the dark arts and how events.
• Pierce brosnan was playing a james bond whose wife tracy was murdered when he was about 8 years old. Daniel craig was playing a world war two veteran. Continuity is not a hallmark of the film series.
• The same bond who went to space, got married, served in both pre and post cold war europe and then became a pow in north korea while 911 happened!
• I never forget my first bond in my day, spying was an alternative to war. The spy was a member of a select and immaculate priesthood, vocationally devoted, sublimely disinterested. Hardly a description of that sexual acrobat who leaves a trail of beautiful dead women like blown roses behind him.
• Also, in goldeneye judi dench calls bronhon a sexist, misogynist dinosaur, a relic of the cold war and you couldnt accuse any other bonds of being like that. They must be different. Cough.
• Next bond film should be a courtroom drama where bond is hauled before a tribunal where british intelligence try to pin all their war crimes on him. You claims that you couldnt have tortured republican prisoners because you were stopping a giant laser, is that correct?
• Not including expanded universe material and just going by the movies, what differentiates the two dench ms is the first was new to mi6 in 1995 and sees bond as a relic of the cold war, and the second misses the cold war. 12.
• What if the cold war was really about time travel? when an intelligence agent is framed for the uks role in a temporal disaster, he must clear his name and seal a lethal time rift - before a russian spy from the future gets everyone killed. Fifrevpit mockpit.
• Do you mean the number or the character? either way, no. I thought bond was an exaggerated and romanticised amalgam of people he dealt with while working in espionage during the war.
• Its a cold war era relic that doesnt work today unless the bad guy is yet another billionaire with a quirky henchman with a gimmick weapon.
• If anyone really cared about continuity, which is insane given bonds cold war roots, i have two words to offer this writer who apparently lacks a scintilla of imagination muli verse. Ok, more like one word. Still so youre telling me, q, theres more than one of me? you have no idea, 007.
• You know i dont like ian fleming and i dont think i ever would have enjoyed being in a room with the man, but yeah it is really fucked up that we sheltered nazis to build our icbm program during the cold war, and thats a pretty compelling thing to base a spy novel on.
• But the craig movies are their own self-contained separate story. And theyve rebooted the continuity in the books a lot. Carte blanche updated bonds past from serving in ww2 to moving him to the gulf war and made q a computer ai thing.
• The real creative license throughout the franchise has been how the british government, post-war and post-suez, can afford to pull off all of bonds shenanigans and subsequently have the international influence to cover it up.
• The cold war x time travel when an intelligence agent is framed for the uks role in a temporal disaster, he must clear his name and seal a lethal time rift - before a russian spy from the future gets everyone killed. Fifrevpit mockpit.
• Bsky.approfilenoel. Fuck putski is there not any rich billionaires that push presidents out we need the new 007 so bad we have 2 get m get 007 fuck war.
• Okay bond idea. You release the following introprologue as a free trailer a series of shots showing a kid growing up poor. Looking at a pretty dress in the window. Pausing. Fast forward. Just out of school. No money, no prospects. Joins the military. Afghanistan. War. Hell. Starts drinking.
• There was a great article about this maybe . Cab link to it where in cold war spy novels written by english speakers, soviet spies keep inexplicably ending up with the first names of 19th century farmers the rough equivalent of jethro bond.
• But how did you survive, james? bond looks directly into the camera. The same way i survived my career as a navy captain in world war 2, when i was the same guy.
• Because, in order to keep the illusion in the cold war it was the same bond, lazenby-bond was quietly cremated and had no headstone. Mi6 couldnt pull the james bond is dead! ruse again as theyd made such a balls of that during you only live twice at least he died on the job!, said the master.
• Sci-friday became spy-friday this week with the 90s pierce brosnan bond movie tomorrow never dies. A media mogul manipulating world events and trying to start a war between china and the west? you could almost remake it now.
• Colonial and post-colonial politics surrounding the caribbean are a definite through-line of ian fleming novels, which actually more or less decide the cold war is a bust half-way through the series and take on organized crime and the secret society spectre led by blofeld to keep the story running.
• Read all the fleming bond books, working my way through le carre but they can be a bit dense. I want somebody that hits the middle between the two. Mick herrons slough house books are great but not in the same style as the cold war-era spy thrillers.
• I just remembered that in the movie quantum of solace the villains plan was basically based on the real-life bolivian water war several years earlier, but they actually had to moderate the villains plan because the real events were even worse than the bond villains plans.
• I genuinely dont know why they just havent done a cold war gone hot story yet. And no, cod cold war does not count. Start as a defender of berlin being overrun, and go from there. A million opportunities for literally every kind of fighting conventional, spec ops, whatever.
• But, but.the man from o.r.g.y. The cold war era thriller follows a spy who is also a sex researcher.
• I would 100 watch a movie of michael fassbender is magneto going nazi hunting in argentina during the cold war.
• Happy 13th anniversary to skyfall, the twenty-third film in the james bond franchise. The porcelain bulldog on ms desk, which she later gives to bond, is draped in the union jack. Royal doulton created these bulldog figurines during world war ii to represent patriotism.
• Bluesky reigniting the bond canon debate this morning has reignited every forum and message board flame war reflex in my body.
• Ian flemings naval intelligence war work was secret then - and much of it still is. Alan bardos investigates for historia. He shows how it inspired the james bond books and alans own latest wwii spy thriller, hunter class. Find out more at historiamag.comian-fleming-.
• Connery and moores bonds trained together after the war - but moore was in military intelligence in various colonial outposts.
• Moore takes up the job, holds it for a good while, but retires after he feels a bit too old. Dalton takes up the job, goes on an unauthorized revenge mission, gets fired. A pause as the end of the cold war is sorted out, brosnan takes up the job.
• If it wasnt completely stupid a modern take on old mercenary shit could be fun like do a world war future setting and after it in the chaos you just have these pmcs do protection rackets to ruined countries.
• But horowitz is one of my favorite writers. And, he wrote the foyles war series, too. Hes brilliant and meticulous, with a tremendous imagination, which is likely one reason he was chosen to do the fleming books.
• Nah, hes still perfect the way he is. And would make an excellent mentor for their 20yo rebellious son who is keen to crack down on the smuggling of artifacts to london - the activities of which unleash a curse on the city, sending them into a post-war terror. First the blitz, and now this.
• Cinema sins level of brainrot have completely overtaken hollyweird. Literacy is dead, in favor of weaponized nostalgia with centrist narratives. They went after the simpsons, superheroes, lord of the rings, star war and trek, now looks like bond is next to be defanged.
• Was there a proclamation signed after the war that the british would be cast in every american film and television show for the remainder of humanity? i think there was.
• Ive been worried that the transition from contempory story to a period piece would be insurmountable, once the audience was no longer steeped in the cold war mindset. Gen x danny strong for the win!
• Bondtinuity is a hilariously stupid idea. Yeah this is the same guy who was a naval commander in world war 2, hes still running around shagging and driving sports cars when the iron curtain falls. His partner and best friend, 006, was a baby when he was a commander. He was in north korean prison.
• Ian flemings naval intelligence war work was secret then - and much of it still is. Alan bardos investigates for historia. He shows how it inspired the james bond books and alans own latest wwii spy thriller, hunter class. Find out more at historiamag.comian-fleming-.
• The kingsman 2021 in the early years of the 20th century, the kingsman agency is formed to stand against a cabal plotting a war to wipe out millions of people. Spymovies filmsky moviesky trailer.
• The true test of bond isnt resurrecting him bodily. Its resurrecting him with purpose and meaning in a world that has evolved past his cold war origins. Who is bond now? why is bond necessary now? sherlock holmes was killed off and brought back, more successful than ever. 6x.
• James bond being afraid to be goofy post austin powers and moving past the cold war were deep cuts send post.
• Also im old enough that i burst out laughing when judi dench said in casino royale, christ, i miss the cold war!, i really cant see what the franchise has to offer for anyone younger.
• Similar events happened but dalton and craig have too much post cold war ennui to be connery and moore.
• James bond was about during the cold war, eh? and one of the main things that they kept as kompromat on spies was gay sex, often by entrapment. Bond would definitely have seduced a dude for queen and country. The kinkier the encounter, the more compromising. Bond bloke bonking bondage for accuracy!
• I think the big struggle will be how do you have bond without the british empire. The craig era leaned into the us-uk tension w the war on terror melieu. But were now post-war on terror the special relationship has cooled. Bond is the stilleto up britannias sleeve. But can she use it?
• Well, that and the fact that bond kind of has to be a public school oxbridge man, but maybe rassilon de-aged somehow during the war.
• If were gonna reboot, go all in. Set the amazon project all the way back in the cold war where the super spy genre was born.
• The solution to the james bond problem is wait to see how first light goes and take it from there. Star war brought back palpatine with a fortnite event, the washed franchise otakus can live with a continuity reboot from a video game.
• Daniel craigs bond was a neophyte agent, just granted 00 status, in 2006, after a decades-long cold war career. What continuity? if they absolutely insist they can just have a new agent take on the 007 code name, who just happens to be one of james numerous unacknowledged children jane bond.
• Extra dumb when pierce bond is yapping about how times changed since the cold war and how new m judi dench is like rude about him or something in goldeneye and craig bond is a rookie 00 agent in 2006, promoted by.judi dench?
• Russias shadow war wont stay hidden forever the creator of james bond, the naval intelligence officer ian fleming, had a keen understanding of the dark arts and how events.
• Pierce brosnan was playing a james bond whose wife tracy was murdered when he was about 8 years old. Daniel craig was playing a world war two veteran. Continuity is not a hallmark of the film series.
• The same bond who went to space, got married, served in both pre and post cold war europe and then became a pow in north korea while 911 happened!
• I never forget my first bond in my day, spying was an alternative to war. The spy was a member of a select and immaculate priesthood, vocationally devoted, sublimely disinterested. Hardly a description of that sexual acrobat who leaves a trail of beautiful dead women like blown roses behind him.
• Also, in goldeneye judi dench calls bronhon a sexist, misogynist dinosaur, a relic Datos del archivo: 87.war_2025-11-01_to_2025-12-01_en_cluster_27_156posteos.txt Procesado automáticamente.