1. La Culpabilidad de Biden en Crímenes de Guerra y Genocidio.
Una parte significativa de la discusión se centra en catalogar a Joe Biden como un criminal de guerra, especialmente por su apoyo a Israel en el conflicto de Gaza y por ignorar advertencias sobre crímenes de guerra.
- Biden intentionally ignored war crimes and provided cover to israel for committing genocide actually.
- Joe biden is an unindicted war criminal, and like so many presidents that preceded him, will die an unindicted war criminal.
- I always believed that biden was a decent man. The fact reported by reuters that israeli lawyers told biden and blinken that the idf were committing war crimes, and they chose to give them more weapons leaves me cold.
- Biden violated american policy leahy law to send more weapons to israel despite it continuing to engage in war crimes and not constrain the settlers like yes, he did stuff that might be considered anti-settlement in israel, but he was substantively pro settlement.
2. Defensas de Biden: Fin de Guerras y Reducción de Drones.
Los defensores de Biden señalan sus acciones para terminar con conflictos prolongados y reducir el uso de armamento polémico como contrapunto a las acusaciones.
- Biden also basically ended the drone war in the middle east and at great political cost got us out of afghanistan.
- Does that erase the fact that biden ended a 20 year drone war? and do you acknowledge that, for all bidens faults, he was better than trump?
- Obviously. Joe biden also ended the drone war and ended our war in afghanistan. Theres a substantial, material difference between when the libs are in charge and when the fascists are in charge. To deny that is just dumb.
3. Comparación con Trump y Obama: ¿Quién es Peor?
Gran parte de la discusión se centra en comparar la magnitud de los actos de ambas administraciones, con argumentos que van desde la equivalencia moral hasta la distinción clara entre ambos.
- I dont disagree on if biden trump are both war criminals. I disagree in the presentation that both of their administrations have committed war crimes to the same magnitude.
- When were talking about trumps ongoing embrace of blatant war crimes, any response along the lines of obama and biden were just as bad is a a lie, and b helps no one aside from maga.
- Obama lead directly to trump. He illegally murdered us citizens, he expedited deportation without judicial review, he bailed out the banks while allowing 4 million people to lose their homes, he continued the illegal war in iraq while lying about it.
- Trump expanded the drone war, biden practically eliminated it. Bush got us involved in 2 boots on the ground wars and occupations. Obama actively avoiding the same hence the drone usage.
4. Críticas a la Inacción Demócrata y la Normalización de Crímenes.
Varios participantes critican a los demócratas por no haber procesado a funcionarios de administraciones anteriores (Bush/Cheney, Trump), lo que consideran una perpetuación de la impunidad.
- Obama not invading any countries is the same as bush invading 2. Biden ending the drone war is the same as trump murdering civilians in international waters.
- Obama look forward, to my war crimes, as opposed to looking backwards and holding the gop accountable for war crimes biden ive appointed a republican as ag and we will allow the gop to get away with j6 other than some civilians.
- The clinton, obama, and biden administrations passed on prosecuting former regimes on war crimes, why the hell would the next democratic admin not do the same.
5. La Visión de un Sistema Bipartidista Pro-Guerra.
Existe una corriente que sostiene que ambos partidos son fundamentalmente belicistas y que la diferencia entre demócratas y republicanos en política exterior es mínima o inexistente.
- You do understand that the united states has two pro-war, anti-labor, right-wing political parties, right? just because trump is awful doesnt make biden good and vice versa.
- We have two parties, neither are good but one is clearly worse. If you want to pick war crimes as the marker guess who does more? it aint the dems.
- The bush cheney obama biden genocidal war crimes for oil. Whete did you get your info to the black book of communism.