1. El Argumento de la Ausencia de Guerra (Murder, Not War Crime).
Muchos participantes en la discusión sostienen que, dado que Estados Unidos no está formalmente en guerra ni ha habido una declaración de conflicto, los actos cometidos por el ejército no pueden ser clasificados como crímenes de guerra. Insisten en que el término correcto es "asesinato" o "asesinato en masa", argumentando que usar "crimen de guerra" minimiza la maldad o legitima la narrativa de un conflicto bélico.
- One of the issues with calling this a war crime is that we arent at war. All of it is straight up murder. Crimes against humanity is a better term.
- What war? this isnt a war crime without a war. Calling it a war crime minimizes the evil. Its murder. Murder!
- We arent at war, so these are not war crimes. What they are is murder. 1st degree murder.
- Stop calling it a war crime. Stop you have to be in a war to make it a war crime. Murder, thats what it is. Calling it a war crime minimalizes it. Its fucking murder.
- Its not a war crime because the usa is not at war, but it is murder.
- The reason this is not a war crime is that there is no war. The law of armed conflict does not apply. This is, simply and clearly, murder, perpetrated as a joint enterprise by everyone in that chain of command.
2. La Perspectiva de que Sigue Siendo un Crimen de Guerra.
Otros argumentan que la definición de crimen de guerra se basa en la conducta (como atacar a no combatientes o matar a heridos) y no requiere una declaración formal de guerra. Señalan que el derecho internacional humanitario (DIH) se aplica en cualquier conflicto armado, y que acciones como matar a sobrevivientes indefensos son crímenes de guerra "de libro de texto" o "ejemplares".
- When you commit a crime against a civilian population using military forces it is an actual war crime.
- Its also a war crime to use deadly military force against foreign people without declaring a war.
- You can be a war criminal without an actual declaration of war !
- It is a war crime even if a war has not been declared. International humanitarian laws.
- Its literally the textbook definition of a war crime. When they wrote down dont commit war crimes they also said you know, like for example, shooting people in the water after you sunk their boat.
- The designation of war crime does not solely apply to nations formally at war. The execution of wounded is a war crime, the very act of giving the order to execute them is a war crime, even if it is not carried out.
- The rules of war apply in all military engagements irrespective of a declared state of war.
3. Crímenes de Guerra Específicos y Alternativas Legales.
Se identifican actos específicos que, incluso en el contexto de una guerra, constituirían crímenes de guerra, como la negación de cuartel o el ataque a personas fuera de combate (hors de combat). Además, se proponen términos legales alternativos como "crímenes contra la humanidad" o "piratería" para describir la gravedad de los actos en ausencia de un conflicto declarado.
- Even if you buy the untenable claim that they are combatants, it is a war crime to intentionally kill combatants who have been rendered unable to fight.
- Intentionally killing enemy fighters who are out of combat, including those who are surrendering, is a war crime under international humanitarian law.
- This is extrajudiciary murder and even in the event of war, killing combatants unable to fight is a war crime.
- Outside of a war, i would call an act that would otherwise be a war crime, a crime against humanity.
- In an undeclared war, there are no war crimes. Under maritime law, attacking unidentified civilians on the high seas is piracy.
- The laws of war, incorporated in the federal war crimes statute, prohibit the killing of people who have been rendered hors de combat.
- The un special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions states that, if verified, these events constitute unlawful killings under human rights law, war crimes under international humanitarian law, and potentially crimes against humanity.