1. La Naturaleza Performática de los Raids.
Una opinión recurrente es que los raids de la era Trump son principalmente un espectáculo mediático diseñado para proyectar poder y atemorizar, más que una estrategia efectiva de deportación. Se les describe como "teatro político" con un enfoque en la crueldad visible en lugar de la eficiencia.
- For all their performative cruelty, trumps ice raids have led to far fewer deportations than what took place under obama barely more than under biden.
- The plan appears to be simply to create a spectacle that demonstrates power and dominance.
- It sounds like trumps ice raids are no different than bidens ice raids, except for the addition of cameras and photo ops to make the news. Its just another reality tv show for the dear leader. Sad.
- The current pharse of ice raids sum up what trump is entirely. Trump has raised the visibility of ice raids, but his administration has caused a collapse in actual deportation numbers which were higher under bidens open border.
2. Comparativa de Cifras de Deportación.
Varios comentarios señalan que, a pesar de la intensa cobertura mediática, las cifras reales de deportación bajo Trump son comparables o incluso inferiores a las registradas durante las administraciones de Obama y Biden, quienes deportaron a un gran número de personas de manera más discreta.
- Trumps ice raids have led to far fewer deportations thanunder obama, and barely more than under biden.
- Serious question. Why isnt anybody talking about the 3 million plus that obama deported or the 4 million under biden? ice is not new - many of these were done through ice raids.
- Fact the biden administration deported 271.00 people last year, the most in a decade.
- Its crazy to see all the lawless ice raids and then hear some immigration knower say deportations are at about the same level as the biden years.
3. Una Táctica Bipartidista y Continuada.
Se argumenta que los raids de ICE no son una invención de Trump, sino una práctica continua que también fue común bajo presidentes demócratas. La principal diferencia, según esta perspectiva, es la falta de atención mediática y de quejas públicas cuando ocurren bajo una administración demócrata.
- Trump isnt the first president to have masked ice raids that snatch people off the street and make them disappear its been a bipartisan tactic for a decade.
- Ice raids were common under biden. They just werent as flashy. And democrats never complain about it when its their side doing it.
- I think a better point to make of all this is why wasnt the media covering ice raids and deportation flights under biden, especially since they were happening at a much greater rate under him than previous presidents.
- Acting like immigration raids just started, when they actually spiked under biden and obama, is both morally disingenuous and politically naive.
4. Diferencias en Métodos y Humanidad.
Aunque las cifras puedan ser similares, muchos usuarios distinguen las operaciones por sus métodos. Se critica que los raids de Trump se realizan sin debido proceso, con agentes enmascarados y de forma indiscriminada, en contraste con las deportaciones bajo Biden y Obama, que se describen como más enfocadas en criminales y llevadas a cabo con mayor humanidad.
- Biden deported way more than trump has. He didnt need to use these raids with masked unidentified officers violate due process.
- Obama and biden both did ice raids but they didnt create a chaotic environment - they didnt rip families apart - they werent cruel about it and they were way more successful.
- Biden was deporting 400 people every day. They were targeted and then given due process before returned to their home countries. Wild raids rounding up brown people are just to terrorize an entire community without making anyone safer.
- President obama removed more immigrants than trump but he didnt have ice raids on home depot parking lots!