1. Corrupción Sistémica e Ineficacia Policial.
Una crítica central en el archivo es la percepción de que la policía es una institución inherentemente corrupta, ineficaz en la prevención del crimen y protegida por la falta de rendición de cuentas, especialmente a través de los sindicatos policiales.
- The entire institution is corrupt, from its very formation police has never been about justice, but about protecting the money interest of the community wealthy folks im an abolitionist at this point, i think we need a whole new system for public safety .
- Police are ineffective. They rely on the public giving them information. No trust? no information. 11 of all serious crimes result in an arrest, and about 2 end in a conviction. Ineffective.
- Police officers have immense power that could destroy your life. One wrongful arrest - your liberty is taken away you cant get a job. Simon does argue for the demilitarization of police that some crimes are really social or health related requiring civilian experts.
- Because of police unions. Theyre not really unions, they are a gang of thugs that protect bad actors and consistently fight against civilian oversight and keep cops fired in one jurisdiction hireable elsewhere.
2. La Función Histórica: Protección del Capital y el Estado.
Muchos participantes en la discusión argumentan que el propósito fundamental de la policía, desde sus orígenes, no ha sido proteger a la ciudadanía, sino asegurar los intereses de la clase propietaria y mantener el orden social establecido.
- Police departments were originally created to protect capital and not community. The whole serve and protect was propaganda to establish large budgets for the departments. We are now seeing the true purpose of what they were created for.
- A reminder that the modern police force is the descendant of the pinkertons, a private army that was hired by robber barons to beat kill striking workers. The police have never deviated from those roots. They dont protect the public, they protect power.
- Never, ever, ever, under any circumstances, trust cops. They are the enemy. They are not on your side. When they tell you to rely on them, they arent telling you theyre safe, theyre telling you to obey your masters. Abolish the police. Acab.
- We are living in a police state. Lets not kid ourselves.coming to a neighborhood near you soon.
3. El Dilema entre Abolición y Reforma.
Existe una división clara entre aquellos que abogan por la abolición total de la policía, argumentando que la institución es irreparable, y aquellos que creen que se necesita una reforma profunda para crear una fuerza de seguridad funcional y responsable.
- Police abolition is the only solution to this system, ongoing crisis of the police routinely and repeatedly murdering and brutalizing our own citizens over and over again and as an institution getting away with it by continually pinning the blame on bad apples.
- Im pretty far left, but actually eliminating police completely is a terrible idea. We need some form of enforcement because there will always be people who commit violent crimes. Do we need a reduction in force and funding of the police? absolutely. But we still need something there.
- Coordinated community watches and community defense networks need to replace policing. Police forces are universally ripe with abuse.
- The classic response from the more intelligent abolish leftists they also say abolish the police when they mean they want thoroughgoing reforms to create a better police force. Its dumb messaging because the slogan sounds a lot stupider than the actual policy.