1. La Policía como Justificación para la Violencia y la Necesidad de Armas Civiles.
Una facción argumenta que la presencia de armas ilegales o legales da a la policía una excusa constante para usar fuerza letal, y que desarmar al público no detendrá la violencia policial; de hecho, la armería policial justifica la necesidad de que los ciudadanos se defiendan contra un estado policial.
- Police will always have an excuse to kill people. Disarming the public will not save you from police violence. The opposite is true.
- Living in a brutal police state is a pretty excellent reason to obtain and train with militarial firearms.
- Fuck the police organizations. What they dont want is the 2nd amendment used for its intended purpose. To defend against tyrannical govt agents .
- The working class must never surrender their firearms. An american police state without an armed populace is an even worse totalitarian nightmare.
- I have a gun because i take responsibility for my own safety and dont have to depend on the police who have no obligation to protect me.
- In the uk our police dont carry guns, except for specially trained police or say at airports. Its so bizarre that anyone can carry a gun in the us.
- Why do countries with strict gun laws have vastly fewer police killings per capita?
- We could even disarm most police, train them to not harm citizens, to investigate crimes properly, to actually protect and serve like they say.
- In norway its illegal to carry weapons. It was just this year in 2025 the police was allowed to carry. And know what? we have not had one school shooting since 2009.
- More than twice as many people in the usa are shot dead by the police every year as are murdered in the uk.
- Militarizing the police screams were morally unjust therefore we need lethal force to be respected.
- Yes police are the biggest problem but the solution is not to escalate! they just get tanks and bigger guns and tear gas and body armor ffs.
- Yes, and thats because our gov wants to disarm us. They dont want us to have guns, they just want the military and the police to have guns.
- Why do you think that the police and military should be the only ones with guns? you think the citizens should be disarmed and put their lives into the hands of the corrupt police, and just hope they dont abuse that power?
- The police were practically invented in the us. They originally were a group of men who hunted down and caught escaped slaves.
- So youre for gun control, then. So when the police and military have guns, but regular people dont, youre fine with that power imbalance?
- If you ban guns, then only criminals will have guns yes. Thats the whole point.
- How can guns prevent a police state when the us has both the most guns per capita and the highest amount of their population in prison per capita?
- Leos showed how capable they are vs a single armed perp when they hid cowered at the uvalde grade school.
- I know the law i have been researching and reading about police violence since was a 1l in 2009. I understand how radical this is. But i genuinely do not think that unless and until cops are made to personally feel real consequences every time they pull the trigger, nothing will change!
- No civilized nation hands out guns to people unless they are checked out in multiple ways. Police must sign off. Psychiatrist must sign off and weeks of training are required.
- I will support and comply with the first gun ban i see that doesnt exempt police. It hasnt happened so far.
- If you think citizens should not have guns, but the government and police should have guns, then you are an authoritarian.
- Required gun insurance, particularly for police. Last registered owner, first responsible for deadly attacks which includes the manufactures too.
- I refuse to discuss any notion of gun control that doesnt begin with completely disarming the police and military.
2. Comparación con Modelos Internacionales de Policía Desarmada o Menos Armada.
Varios comentarios contrastan la situación estadounidense con países como el Reino Unido, donde la policía generalmente no porta armas de fuego, sugiriendo que esto se correlaciona con tasas mucho menores de violencia policial y tiroteos masivos.
- In the uk our police dont carry guns, except for specially trained police or say at airports. Its so bizarre that anyone can carry a gun in the us.
- Why do countries with strict gun laws have vastly fewer police killings per capita?
- We could even disarm most police, train them to not harm citizens, to investigate crimes properly, to actually protect and serve like they say.
- In norway its illegal to carry weapons. It was just this year in 2025 the police was allowed to carry. And know what? we have not had one school shooting since 2009.
- More than twice as many people in the usa are shot dead by the police every year as are murdered in the uk.
- Militarizing the police screams were morally unjust therefore we need lethal force to be respected.
- Yes police are the biggest problem but the solution is not to escalate! they just get tanks and bigger guns and tear gas and body armor ffs.
- Yes, and thats because our gov wants to disarm us. They dont want us to have guns, they just want the military and the police to have guns.
- Why do you think that the police and military should be the only ones with guns? you think the citizens should be disarmed and put their lives into the hands of the corrupt police, and just hope they dont abuse that power?
- The police were practically invented in the us. They originally were a group of men who hunted down and caught escaped slaves.
- So youre for gun control, then. So when the police and military have guns, but regular people dont, youre fine with that power imbalance?
- If you ban guns, then only criminals will have guns yes. Thats the whole point.
- How can guns prevent a police state when the us has both the most guns per capita and the highest amount of their population in prison per capita?
- Leos showed how capable they are vs a single armed perp when they hid cowered at the uvalde grade school.
- I know the law i have been researching and reading about police violence since was a 1l in 2009. I understand how radical this is. But i genuinely do not think that unless and until cops are made to personally feel real consequences every time they pull the trigger, nothing will change!
- No civilized nation hands out guns to people unless they are checked out in multiple ways. Police must sign off. Psychiatrist must sign off and weeks of training are required.
- I will support and comply with the first gun ban i see that doesnt exempt police. It hasnt happened so far.
- If you think citizens should not have guns, but the government and police should have guns, then you are an authoritarian.
- Required gun insurance, particularly for police. Last registered owner, first responsible for deadly attacks which includes the manufactures too.
- I refuse to discuss any notion of gun control that doesnt begin with completely disarming the police and military.
3. Desconfianza en el Gobierno y la Militarización Policial.
Existe una fuerte creencia de que el gobierno y la policía desean activamente desarmar a los ciudadanos para consolidar un estado policial, mientras que las propias fuerzas del orden están cada vez más militarizadas con armamento de grado militar.
- Militarizing the police screams were morally unjust therefore we need lethal force to be respected.
- Yes police are the biggest problem but the solution is not to escalate! they just get tanks and bigger guns and tear gas and body armor ffs.
- Yes, and thats because our gov wants to disarm us. They dont want us to have guns, they just want the military and the police to have guns.
- Why do you think that the police and military should be the only ones with guns? you think the citizens should be disarmed and put their lives into the hands of the corrupt police, and just hope they dont abuse that power?
- The police were practically invented in the us. They originally were a group of men who hunted down and caught escaped slaves.
- So youre for gun control, then. So when the police and military have guns, but regular people dont, youre fine with that power imbalance?
- If you ban guns, then only criminals will have guns yes. Thats the whole point.
- How can guns prevent a police state when the us has both the most guns per capita and the highest amount of their population in prison per capita?
- Leos showed how capable they are vs a single armed perp when they hid cowered at the uvalde grade school.
- I know the law i have been researching and reading about police violence since was a 1l in 2009. I understand how radical this is. But i genuinely do not think that unless and until cops are made to personally feel real consequences every time they pull the trigger, nothing will change!
- No civilized nation hands out guns to people unless they are checked out in multiple ways. Police must sign off. Psychiatrist must sign off and weeks of training are required.
- I will support and comply with the first gun ban i see that doesnt exempt police. It hasnt happened so far.
- If you think citizens should not have guns, but the government and police should have guns, then you are an authoritarian.
- Required gun insurance, particularly for police. Last registered owner, first responsible for deadly attacks which includes the manufactures too.
- I refuse to discuss any notion of gun control that doesnt begin with completely disarming the police and military.
4. La Paradoja del Poder Desequilibrado y la Ineficacia Policial.
Se cuestiona la lógica de desarmar a los ciudadanos mientras la policía y el ejército mantienen arsenales superiores, señalando que la presencia policial armada no previene la violencia y que, en situaciones críticas, la policía a menudo no interviene o actúa de manera incompetente.
- So youre for gun control, then. So when the police and military have guns, but regular people dont, youre fine with that power imbalance?
- If you ban guns, then only criminals will have guns yes. Thats the whole point.
- How can guns prevent a police state when the us has both the most guns per capita and the highest amount of their population in prison per capita?
- Leos showed how capable they are vs a single armed perp when they hid cowered at the uvalde grade school.
- I know the law i have been researching and reading about police violence since was a 1l in 2009. I understand how radical this is. But i genuinely do not think that unless and until cops are made to personally feel real consequences every time they pull the trigger, nothing will change!
- No civilized nation hands out guns to people unless they are checked out in multiple ways. Police must sign off. Psychiatrist must sign off and weeks of training are required.
- I will support and comply with the first gun ban i see that doesnt exempt police. It hasnt happened so far.
- If you think citizens should not have guns, but the government and police should have guns, then you are an authoritarian.
- Required gun insurance, particularly for police. Last registered owner, first responsible for deadly attacks which includes the manufactures too.
- I refuse to discuss any notion of gun control that doesnt begin with completely disarming the police and military.
5. Propuestas de Reforma y Control de Armas Enfocadas en la Responsabilidad.
Algunos participantes sugieren soluciones que incluyen procesos de licencia rigurosos, pruebas de competencia, seguro obligatorio para armas, y la necesidad de que la policía también se someta a controles estrictos o sea desarmada.
- No civilized nation hands out guns to people unless they are checked out in multiple ways. Police must sign off. Psychiatrist must sign off and weeks of training are required.
- I will support and comply with the first gun ban i see that doesnt exempt police. It hasnt happened so far.
- If you think citizens should not have guns, but the government and police should have guns, then you are an authoritarian.
- Required gun insurance, particularly for police. Last registered owner, first responsible for deadly attacks which includes the manufactures too.
- I refuse to discuss any notion of gun control that doesnt begin with completely disarming the police and military.