1. El Patriarcado También Perjudica a los Hombres.
Una idea central en la discusión es que el sistema patriarcal no solo oprime a las mujeres, sino que también impone roles restrictivos y dañinos a los hombres. Se argumenta que estas expectativas afectan su psique, reprimen su expresión emocional y destruyen su humanidad, convirtiéndolos también en víctimas del sistema que supuestamente les sirve.
- The patriarchy negatively affects men too. That is the issue.
- I often reflect how patriarchy is very detrimental to the men it is supposed to serve. It warps their psyche.
- Patriarchy hurts men as much maybe more than women. No one talks about that.
- As a man, i can say 100% the patriarchy has done nothing good for me. Being brought up to never show 'weakness' to be a 'real' man. It's soul-crushing, destructive nonsense.
- Patriarchy hurts men. This level of constant attention to performing masculinity is soul-destroying.
- The maddening thing is that men too are fucked over in patriarchy—locked into roles that take tolls on their psyche.
2. Un Daño Desigual: Mujeres como Víctimas Principales.
Aunque se reconoce el daño que el patriarcado causa a los hombres, se enfatiza que este no es comparable con la opresión sistémica y la violencia que sufren las mujeres. La conversación subraya que, si bien todos son víctimas en cierto grado, las mujeres soportan la peor parte del sistema.
- Patriarchy is not about men. It's a system under which both men and women are victims. But women are treated worse.
- The patriarchy is an insidiously violent oppression of women, but men are its victims as well.
- Patriarchy hurts everyone. It hurts women most, but it hurts everyone.
- Patriarchy harms men (to a much lesser extent obviously) as well.
- Even *if* it does happen to men, it's not remotely on the same level, to the same extent, or as violently as it does to women. It's giving "men are hurt by patriarchy too." yeah, but you also benefit from it.
3. El Beneficio Masculino y la Perpetuación del Sistema.
Se argumenta que, a pesar de los perjuicios, los hombres obtienen beneficios y privilegios materiales y sociales del patriarcado. Esta ventaja estructural crea un incentivo para que muchos hombres prefieran mantener el sistema, incluso a costa de su propio bienestar emocional, antes que renunciar al poder y control sobre las mujeres.
- Patriarchy benefits all men and allows all men to be oppressors.
- People who say that patriarchy hurts men too are missing the point. Men already know that patriarchy hurts them, they’ve been hearing it for decades. It’s just that they would rather uphold a system that they know harms them as long as they continue to have control over non-men.
- And similarly, patriarchy helps men more than it hurts men or we wouldn't have it.
- Men refuse to confront the truth that *all men* benefit from patriarchy and *all women* are oppressed by patriarchy and men’s participation in it.
- Most men value the personal benefits of patriarchy more than they love the women in their lives. Harsh truth, but the truth nonetheless.
4. El Patriarcado como Sistema, no como Sinónimo de "Hombres".
Se hace una distinción clave entre "hombres" como individuos y "patriarcado" como una estructura de poder. Se señala que el patriarcado es un sistema complejo mantenido y perpetuado por personas de todos los géneros, y no simplemente las acciones de los hombres. No es una guerra de "hombres contra mujeres", sino una jerarquía que beneficia a una élite.
- Patriarchy being to blame doesn’t mean men are. Those are different things. Patriarchy’s supported by many women (internalized misogyny is a big problem) and opposed by many men.
- The problem isn’t individual men, the problem is the patriarchy.
- Patriarchy is not men. It is a system of oppressions that privileges male dominance.
- Might be a good time to remind people that patriarchy isn't "men vs women" but a hierarchy where high status men dominate everyone.
- Also need to stress that patriarchy is not gendered. Thats not how this works. Everyone perpetuates and upholds patriarchy in different ways, you cannot escape this any more than you can escape white supremacy.
5. Críticas a la Narrativa del "Hombre como Víctima".
Existe una fuerte crítica hacia el discurso de que "el patriarcado también daña a los hombres". Los opositores argumentan que esta narrativa desvía la atención del problema principal (la opresión de las mujeres), centra a los hombres en una lucha que no es suya y les permite presentarse como las verdaderas víctimas, ignorando su rol como beneficiarios y perpetuadores del sistema.
- Oh wow i am so tired of hearing this described as “patriarchy hurting men just as much”.
- Men really believe that they are the primary victim of patriarchy. Lmao.
- The discourse how patriarchy is 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 bad for men needs to be taken to the jetty and drowned. That quest for solidarity is misguided. Men are not the victims, men are beneficiaries and perpetrators.
- “patriarchy hurts men too” is a misogynistic statement, because you’re admitting that you don’t believe violence against women is a serious enough problem on its own.
- Maybe it’s just me, but “the patriarchy also harms men” has always bothered me. I get the intent behind it, but the effect seems to be to once again center men, and to suggest it wouldn’t be enough if it only harmed women.