1. Definición del Feminismo en Oposición al Patriarcado.
La conversación central establece que el feminismo no es un movimiento contra los hombres, sino una reacción directa contra el patriarcado, un sistema de opresión que privilegia el dominio masculino. El objetivo principal es la destrucción de esta estructura.
- Patriarchy is about power, and feminism is about destroying patriarchy. Not every woman is my ally or my sister simply by virtue of being a woman.
- So many dudes think feminism is about hating men. Naw, it’s about hating patriarchy and wanting to end it. Most feminists want better for us.
- This is your regular reminder: patriarchy is not men. Patriarchy is a system of oppressions that privileges male dominance and some women benefit from it. Feminism is not women or anything a woman does just because she's a woman. Feminism is the destruction of patriarchy.
- Feminism is the hatred of the patriarchy; not hatred of men.
2. El Impacto del Patriarcado en los Hombres.
Se argumenta que el patriarcado no solo oprime a las mujeres, sino que también perjudica a los hombres al imponerles roles y expectativas tóxicas. Por lo tanto, el feminismo, al combatir el patriarcado, también busca la liberación masculina.
- Feminism isn’t only for women. The idea that, as a man, you won’t benefit from smashing the patriarchy is absurd, unless you’re one of the very few men who derive extreme privilege from it.
- We need feminism for everyone. Patriarchy harms men as well.
- It is patriarchy, not feminism, that tells men that our inherent nature is violent, supremacist, and abusive. It is patriarchy, not feminism, that tells us hostility and anger is preferable to vulnerability and openness.
- The patriarchy survives by making men believe feminism is the enemy. It convinces you that women gaining rights means you lose something. But the only thing you lose is control… and that was never yours to have.
3. El Rol de las Mujeres en el Sostenimiento del Patriarcado.
Un tema recurrente es la idea de que no todas las mujeres son feministas y que algunas, consciente o inconscientemente, apoyan y perpetúan el sistema patriarcal, a menudo en detrimento de otras mujeres.
- Yes. So many women are extremely in favor of the patriarchy. It makes me shake my head in wonder. What is that about?
- But the greatest weapon of the patriarchy is women. We have this habit of building them up and tearing them down. It happens over and over.
- Because women are the upholders of patriarchy and feminism only strives to be equal to the patriarchy.
- Women who use the patriarchy to bully marginalized people, including other women, is not a win for feminism. It is a betrayal of it.
4. El Objetivo Final: Liberación por Encima de la Igualdad.
Se discute que el feminismo busca más que la simple igualdad de género dentro de las estructuras existentes. El objetivo es una liberación total de las jerarquías y opresiones impuestas por el patriarcado, redefiniendo la sociedad en lugar de simplemente integrarse en ella.
- Femninism is the destruction of patriarchy. Feminism is much more than just equality. I want to be free. Feminism is liberation.
- This is why i hate the idea that feminism is about gender equality. It is a definition of feminism that decentres women and other marginalised genders. Feminism is about the end of patriarchy, an oppressive system where cis men dominate everyone else.
- If your version of feminism is merely succeeding within the existing oppressive patriarchal structures, you're doing it wrong. The whole point is to dismantle the patriarchy, not merely weasel your way through it for your own benefit.
- Feminism was always about liberation of women from patriarchal system and society, and the abolition of patriarchy. It was never about "equal rights as men" under patriarchal system. That is a liberal nonsense.
5. Críticas y Visiones Contradictorias del Feminismo.
Dentro de la conversación, surgen críticas y visiones divergentes. Algunos argumentan que ciertas corrientes del feminismo refuerzan el patriarcado, mientras que otros lo ven como una herramienta de división o malinterpretan sus objetivos fundamentales.
- Hot take: men don’t also suffer under the patriarchy, they actually benefit quite a lot from abusing the power imbalance that exists between the genders.
- If this is what feminism is, feminism is cooked literally just reinforcing the patriarchy.
- Feminism is a product being sold by patriarchy itself. Is useless. The division of "gender" is intentional. The victimization is a poisoned commodity.
- Women love feminism because “fighting the patriarchy” is easier than learning culinary skills, losing weight, being pleasant, taking ownership. Allegedly.