1. Sistemas Entrelazados: La Codependencia del Patriarcado y el Capitalismo.
Numerosos comentarios describen al patriarcado y al capitalismo no como entidades separadas, sino como sistemas interconectados que se refuerzan mutuamente. Se argumenta que uno no puede existir sin el otro y que ambos deben ser desmantelados conjuntamente para lograr una verdadera liberación.
- Patriarchy and capitalism are intertwined and if humanity is to endure both need to be dismantled.
- Capitalism and patriarchy go hand in hand. They are both harmful to everyone.
- The issue is capitalism. It's at the root of every challenge we are faced with. Capitalism and patriarchy, but the two are two sides of a coin.
- Patriarchy and capitalism are co-dependent, abolish the patriarchy and abolish capitalism.
- Yuup. As far as i can tell the two foundational problems are capitalism and patriarchy. And they are as intertwined as two ancient tree trunks.
- I actually think dismantling the patriarchy without completely ending capitalism is impossible because they are two sides of the same coin.
2. El Origen del Problema: ¿Es el Patriarcado la Raíz del Capitalismo?
Un punto central de debate es cuál de los dos sistemas es la causa original de la opresión. Varios usuarios sostienen que el patriarcado es mucho más antiguo y que el capitalismo es simplemente su manifestación económica más reciente, una herramienta para mantener el poder. Otros, en cambio, ven al capitalismo como el motor principal que utiliza al patriarcado para dividir y controlar.
- Patriarchy, the dominance of men over women, is the root of capitalism.
- Capitalism is simply the most recent economic arm of patriarchy, which is the real issue.
- I'm starting to see 'capitalism' as merely a subsection to patriarchy. A dlc within the overall engine.
- The patriarchy is way older than capitalism, older than the oldest human civilizations.
- Patriarchy can exist without capitalism, but capitalism cannot exist without patriarchy.
- Uh. It’s absolutely capitalism that is the problem and the patriarchy that pushes it.
- The belief that the patriarchy is a capitalist invention is just a way for socialist antifeminists to shut down feminism and paint the fight against the patriarchy as a distraction.
3. Consecuencias de la Alianza: Explotación y Deshumanización.
Los participantes de la conversación señalan las consecuencias negativas de la unión entre capitalismo y patriarcado. Se menciona la deshumanización, la explotación del trabajo no remunerado de las mujeres, la creación de competencia entre individuos y la supresión de la empatía como efectos directos de este sistema dual.
- Patriarchy plus capitalism makes for a lot of dehumanization.
- One thing that isn’t talked about enough is the inextricable between capitalism and patriarchy. The system of capitalism is built on and sustains itself through the unpaid labor of women.
- Tldr: it’s capitalism shaping our minds and relationships with one another, putting us in competition with one another for economic stability while dehumanizing us so that we treat ourselves like commodities to improve for the sake of becoming more marketable for marriage. And patriarchy.
- Patriarchy serves capital by creating factional strife among the working class. It is easily integrated in capitalism.
- Patriarchy hates women who complain and capitalism hates workers who protest.
- Correct. Exploiting women is the foundation of both the patriarchy and capitalism. That's why men wanna keep it this way all around the globe.
4. El Llamado a la Acción: La Necesidad de Desmantelar Ambos Sistemas.
Frente a este diagnóstico, la conclusión predominante es la necesidad de una acción radical. La reforma no se considera suficiente; la mayoría de las voces abogan por la abolición completa tanto del capitalismo como del patriarcado como única vía hacia una sociedad más justa y equitativa.
- Patriarchy isn't a good long term system like unfettered capitalism. Both are toxic and need to be abolished.
- Want a solution for this? fight against capitalism and patriarchy.
- The only routes to liberation is the destruction of capitalism and patriarchy.
- Dismantling the patriarchy threatens everything - capitalism included.
- End capitalism. End the patriarchy. End oppression.
- Capitalism, the oligarchy, the patriarchy and the system needs to be destroyed.