1. Definiendo la Misoginia: Más Allá del Odio Individual.
Los participantes debaten la definición de misoginia, trascendiendo la idea de un simple odio hacia las mujeres para describirla como un sistema de prejuicios arraigados, una herramienta del patriarcado y una fuerza social que discrimina y deshumaniza, afectando las estructuras de poder y las normas sociales.
- Misogyny is hatred of femininity not women, which is beside the point, because regardless of what they say, they absolutely see us either women or as belonging to a sex-caste below women.
- Misogyny is claiming that men can be women, and that non-compliant women are bigots. Expanding the category of females to include males dehumanises all females.
- Imo, misogyny is born out of and is a tool within a patriarchal system. This isn't a chicken/egg situation.
- Misogyny is not simply about being hated by individuals, its about systemic abjectification of women to the benefit of men.
- Misogyny is hatred, dislike, contempt, or deeply entrenched prejudice against women and girls. It's not just about individual men; it also refers to social systems and behaviors where women face hostility and discrimination because they are women, reinforcing the idea that men should dominate them.
2. El Fenómeno de la Misoginia Internalizada.
Un tema recurrente es la misoginia internalizada, donde se argumenta que las mujeres también pueden perpetuar y reforzar actitudes y comportamientos misóginos. Esta dinámica es descrita como una consecuencia de la socialización en una cultura patriarcal y un mecanismo de supervivencia que, irónicamente, contribuye a la propia opresión.
- Women have a lot of internalized misogyny too.we aren't off the hook completely. Just to be clear.
- Internalized misogyny is a thing. Especially for women who think they'll be more "equal" than others. They won't.
- Women are often worse than men when it comes to misogyny, its why misogyny has remained acceptable.
- Idk why but misogyny from a woman just infuriates far more than when a man does it.
- “internalized misogyny” is a helluva phrase. Like, you won’t even give women the agency to hate other women on their own accord? that sounds incredibly patriarchal, actually.
- Women themselves are at the center of female oppression. Internalized misogyny is widespread, unrecognized, and invalidated.
3. Una Realidad Normalizada y Omnipresente.
Se destaca cómo la misoginia está tan arraigada y normalizada en la sociedad que a menudo pasa desapercibida. Los comentarios la describen como un elemento cultural en el que "nadamos", presente en la política, la salud y las interacciones cotidianas, al punto de que oponerse a ella puede ser visto como una actitud irracional.
- Yeah god i've been thinking lately how socially accepted misogyny is. People don't even register this shit as misogynist.
- Casual misogyny in a patriarchal culture. We're swimming in it and it's a constant battle to push back.
- Misogyny is so ingrained into society that women who oppose it are seen as unreasonable and “bigoted”.
- Misogyny is so deeply embedded in the culture that most are unaware they are part of it. Like racism.
- The built in accepted misogyny is crazy. It’s so taken for granted that it isn’t even noticed.
- Misogyny is so inherent in our culture, its not even recognized. Women are discussed in their absence/silence. Their existence is rarely even acknowledged.
4. Misoginia vs. Misandria: Un Debate sobre la Equivalencia.
La comparación entre misoginia y misandria es un punto central de la discusión. La opinión predominante es que no son equivalentes: mientras la misoginia es una fuerza sistémica que conduce a la opresión, violencia y muerte de mujeres, la misandria es vista como una reacción a esa opresión, con consecuencias que se limitan a herir sentimientos masculinos.
- Misogyny leads to the assault and death of women, "misandry" leads to hurt feelings.
- Misandry is a perfectly acceptable response to misogyny.
- “misogyny” is systematic n results in the mass oppression, abuse, rape n murder of women. “misandry” hurts mens feelings. They’re not the same.
- Misogyny literally gets women killed and misandry… um… uh… hurts mens feelings i guess.
- Misogyny is men’s anger towards those they oppress. Misandry is women’s anger towards those who oppress them. We must stop pretending the two are equal.
5. El Impacto Colateral: Cómo la Misoginia Afecta a los Hombres.
Aunque la misoginia perjudica principalmente a las mujeres, varios comentarios señalan que también tiene consecuencias negativas para los hombres. Se argumenta que el sistema patriarcal impone roles de género rígidos, penalizando a los hombres que no se ajustan a ellos y fomentando una masculinidad tóxica que es perjudicial para todos.
- This shows how misogyny fucks shit up for everyone though. Like if you think that it just hurts women and isn't your problem because you're a male, you may wanna rethink that, and situations like this are a good example as to why you should.
- Misogyny is fundamental to participation in the sex-caste of manhood in this country. Those who don't participate are brutalized, ostracized, or otherwise penalized for not doing so.
- Misogyny harms us all, no matter our gender. People have got to start loving themselves more than they hate women or we're all fucked.
- Misogyny is detrimental to everyone. When we believe women should be selfless caretakers, then, in order to be unlike women, men have to be selfish abusers.
- Yet another example of how misogyny hurts everyone, not just women or "some women".