1. La Identificación Digital y su Impacto en la Inmigración.
Muchos participantes del debate cuestionan la necesidad y efectividad de la identificación digital para controlar la inmigración ilegal, argumentando que los inmigrantes ya cuentan con sistemas de identificación y que la medida podría ser utilizada para discriminación.
- I’m ‘meh’ about id cards, i think we freely and routinely give lots of data everyday to multiple platforms/organisations but the idea that this will stop “illegal” immigrants from working is laughable - the people employing them are already failing to do the basics why would they change for this?
- Immigrants already have to show de facto id to get jobs etc. Any employer, landlord et al who was using undocumented immigrants for their dodgy jobs/slum housing was already ignoring a lack of that id and would do it if there's no id card too. It's a daft reason for id cards.
- And thats the thing, "legal" immigrants already have digital id. This goes after minorities they don't like.
- Btw all immigrants who aren't citizens already have digital id. Pretending that this will do anything to monitor immigration is a blatant lie.
- I never understand the immigration argument. Immigrants already have mandatory digital ids?
2. Preocupaciones sobre Libertades Civiles y Vigilancia.
Existe una preocupación generalizada de que la implementación de la identificación digital pueda llevar a una mayor vigilancia estatal y a la erosión de las libertades civiles, afectando no solo a los inmigrantes, sino a toda la población.
- We already *had* this for immigrants. They want the digital id cards so they can be dicks to everyone.
- I’m not against id cards per se. But i am against them now. For this. As yet another weapon in the arsenal against immigrants. This isn’t taking the fight to reform. It’s using immigrants as a human shield while reform keeps punching you in the face.
- The hilarious reality that immigrants to the uk already have "digital id" that it's illegal for them to do anything without. Labour want to impose this draconian surveillance on your granny.
- Digital id is the final nail in the coffin of freedom. But immigrants, immigrants, immigrants.
- There's already compulsory digital government id for immigrants, so this is a lie about it tackling illegal immigration. This is citizen surveillance.
3. La Utilidad y Conveniencia de la Identificación Digital.
Algunos participantes ven potencial en la identificación digital para facilitar el acceso a servicios y agilizar trámites, siempre y cuando se implemente de manera adecuada y no se utilice como herramienta de discriminación.
- Can we do the digital id thing too please? not because of immigrants but because it's sensible.
- The name is dumb. 100%. Make this something sensible though and would you support it? as to immigrants. Small sample but foreigners in the uk who i know are mostly pretty fine with it. My partners main complaint is that theres no actual physical id card.
- Digital id is popular with most mps in reality, they know it will help people access services and it will streamline many systems. It isn't a stick to beat illegal immigrants with, they already exist and always will do. It will help our immigrants in reality but screw that, lets get starmer out.
- Anecdata, but as someone who's been an immigrant since 97 (asia & eu), i feel physical id cards have always protected my rights where i live (slovenia) they're vital in ensuring non-slovene/non-english-speakers immigrants can quickly, easily access govt services suspect most immigrants favor them.
- The mistake is digital only, a physical card would likely be welcomed by immigrants anecdata, but i've been an immigrant since 97 (asia, now eu), and id cards have only ever been a benefit.
4. Dudas sobre la Implementación y los Motivos Políticos.
Se expresa escepticismo sobre la capacidad del gobierno para implementar un sistema de identificación digital efectivo y seguro, así como preocupaciones sobre los motivos políticos detrás de la propuesta, especialmente en relación con la retórica antiinmigrante.
- I'm skeptical the uk will pull it off. The digital id cards immigrants already use are incredibly cumbersome to use. If i was asked to prove my immigration status on the street, i miight be able to (if i can find my passport number), but it would take at least 5 minutes to complete.
- As someone who witnessed the shitshow when they transferred from physical biometric cards over to evisas for us immigrants i find it laughable that they will be able to roll out a digital id system for entire uk adult population.
- I see starmer is setting out how labour, and any subsequent reform party, would use id cards to make immigrants lives harder. It’s why all those who claim to be liberal or progressive should be against them.
- I wonder if it’s the other way around: they have a plan/deal with a big tech company to introduce digital id, and they thought that tracking immigrants would be enough of a carrot for people to agree to it.
- It's the motivation i have a problem with. I'd love an id card system to facilitate access to services and generally streamline interactions with government. But its main aim seems to be to clamp down on refugees/immigrants, and if done with that focus, will it also bring positive benefits?