1. El Debate Numérico: ¿Quién Deportó a Más Inmigrantes?
Un argumento central en la discusión es la afirmación recurrente de que las administraciones de Obama y Biden deportaron a un número significativamente mayor de inmigrantes que la de Trump en su primer mandato, a pesar de la dura retórica de este último sobre el tema.
- Biden deported more immigrants efficiently than trump did in his first term and without the bloated money hungry agency that is ice.
- Obama deported more undocumented immigrants than any president before. I 2013, 360k were deported from the us without due process.
- Did you know that obama and biden deported more illegal immigrants than trump in the same time period? obama holds the record for being the biggest deporter of immigrants.
- I always like to add that the biden administration deported 4.4.million illegal immigrants and never once used terrorist tactics to do so.
- Trump can't stand the fact obama deported 3m immigrants. Under obama most were given due process unlike this clstrfk.
2. Métodos y Humanidad: El Contraste entre Crueldad y Burocracia.
Más allá de las cifras, el debate se centra en los métodos utilizados. Se argumenta que, mientras las deportaciones bajo Obama y Biden seguían un proceso burocrático y se realizaban de forma discreta, las de Trump se caracterizan por su crueldad, el uso de tácticas violentas y la falta de dignidad en el trato a los inmigrantes.
- Obama and biden, each, deported more illegal immigrants than trump ever did and they did it with due process and without cruelty. We still have missing children from his 1st term.
- They did it covertly and quietly, unlike trump, who does it loudly and viciously. An uncomfortable truth is also the truth.
- The issue is not deportation of undocumented immigrants. The issue is trump zip-tying children and sending his gestapo thugs out to be brutal and cruel while deporting even citizens of the country.
- Both obama and biden deported far more illegal immigrants with dignity, nobody committing suicide and no chaos and fear in the streets because it's the presidents job to protect americans.
- Here’s the thing: obama and biden both removed thousands of undocumented immigrants from this country and there was very little fanfare about it the reason this is an issue now is because of the methods miller has directed be employed—masked, unidentified, lawless thugs using violence to apprehend.
3. La Controversia del Debido Proceso (Due Process).
El respeto al debido proceso es un punto clave de discordia. Mientras algunos sostienen que las administraciones demócratas garantizaron los derechos constitucionales de los inmigrantes, otros afirman que también negaron el debido proceso a un gran número de personas, sentando un precedente para las políticas actuales.
- Did you know that biden deported more immigrants than trump did in his first term? and he did that while respecting the immigrant’s 4th, 5th, & 14th constitutional rights, something trump isn’t bothering to follow.
- Both presidents obama and biden gave illegal immigrants due process hearings. Many got deported. Trump is lying about everything.
- Yes, over 850% of immigrants got no due process under biden. The numbers were also high under obama.
- Biden denied due process to quite a lot of immigrants. He and obama both helped pave the way for where we are now.
- Obama and biden deported more immigrants than trump, you bet your ass there was due process being ignored for us to get that many deportations.
4. Críticas a las Políticas Demócratas y la Continuidad del Sistema.
Existe una corriente crítica que acusa a las administraciones de Obama y Biden de no ser protectoras de los inmigrantes. Se les reprocha haber mantenido políticas como el Título 42, aumentar los fondos para ICE, y adoptar un marco de derecha que normalizó las políticas de Trump y debilitó la defensa de los derechos de los inmigrantes.
- And it's wild because biden kept trump's cruel title 42 policy in place for over 2 years. He operated open air concentration camps on the border afterwards. He increased ice/cbp funding and deported more than trump.
- Biden's dhs head literally bragged about deporting more people than trump. The dems completely ceded on immigration and normalized trump's fascistic border policy and fearmongering of immigrants.
- Hey, maybe you don't know this but obama, biden, & harris created the system that trump is now abusing to kidnap immigrants off our streets.
- Obama and biden both gave into the right wing framing that undocumented immigrants need to be deported instead of simply being documented.
- The dems supported increasing funding for ice during biden's term, obama appointed tom homan. Sure trump is worse, but that does not erase the fact that the democrats chose to adopt their own xenophobic policy instead of standing with immigrants.
5. Percepciones sobre la Inmigración y la Responsabilidad Política.
Las opiniones sobre la causa del "problema migratorio" están polarizadas. Algunos atribuyen la situación a las políticas de "fronteras abiertas" de Biden, que supuestamente permitieron la entrada de millones de personas. Otros culpan a Trump y a los republicanos por bloquear activamente una reforma migratoria bipartidista que podría haber gestionado la situación.
- Pretty much, since the biden administration has let in over 10 million illegal immigrants.
- Biden’s congress had a bipartisan immigration bill that was light years better than trump’s mass deportations that include legal immigrants and some american citizens. Trump stopped obedient speaker johnson from advancing the bill because he wanted to use it as a campaign issue.
- Biden sat for a year as our country opened the gates the gave them housing and free medical. Sealing our border.
- Open borders is a myth it was created by racists to convince other racists to hate the melting pot which is the usa.
- Your job wasn't stolen by illegal immigrants and democratic presidents have never had open borders- they deport at the same rate as republicans do. Biden never even closed the border camps.