1. Críticas a ICE y llamados a la abolición.
Numerosos usuarios expresan fuertes críticas hacia ICE, acusándola de violaciones constitucionales, brutalidad y actuar como una fuerza represiva.
- "will congressional democrats please please please also fight to dismantle ice, i.e., trumps secret police? ice violates the us constitution every second of the day and has a very bloated budget that most likely ends up in certain peoples pockets.".
- "ice is trumps personal fascist army that behaves like an unconstitutional lawless goon squad.".
- "i know some good folks will be hurt by a shutdown, but they need to defund ice. Its a fucking terrorist organization.".
2. Argumentos para la abolición y el destino de los agentes.
Se argumenta que ICE es una agencia inherentemente corrupta e irreformable, y se debate sobre el futuro de sus agentes, desde el encarcelamiento hasta la inhabilitación para cargos públicos.
- "a top priority of the next dem president must be completely dismantling ice. Just a fundamentally evil and corrupted agency that is beyond redemption.".
- "all of these men - every single ice agent and employee - belongs in prison for life. And democrats need to run on that. Dont just abolish ice. Imprison ice.".
- "abolishing ice isnt good enough anymore. We need to permanently get rid of the people who work for ice. Every single one of them.".
- "ice must be completely destroyed to have a chance of keeping our democracy the entire institution gutted and dismantled like elon musk abolished usaid. Every single person who worked for ice prosecuted and jailed.".
3. Estrategias políticas y el papel de los Demócratas.
Se discuten estrategias para presionar a los Demócratas a tomar una postura más firme contra ICE, incluyendo la posibilidad de un cierre del gobierno y la exigencia de que los candidatos se comprometan a abolir la agencia.
- "dems should treat ice like the gop treated the voting rights act. See ice did its job, no need for them anymore. Defunded.".
- "if a democrat doesnt run on abolishing ice, what is the point even? the taxpayers need their money back and this organization is too corrupted to redeem.".
- "the only way through this is for the democrats to shut down the government until the republicans de-fund ice and come to the table with more concessions. Shut down the government.".
- "dems should shut it down october 1st and ice can work for free. Government isnt reopened until ice is defunded and repurposed with oversight and a restricted mission only at the border. Transfer ice funds for rural health and medicaid.".
4. Implicaciones de un cierre del gobierno y el financiamiento de ICE.
Se debate si un cierre del gobierno afectaría a ICE y si la agencia podría seguir operando sin fondos. También se discute el destino de los fondos asignados a ICE, sugiriendo que se utilicen para otros fines, como la atención médica.
- "at least ice wont be paid. I say keep it shut down until ice is abolished.".
- "continue the gov. Shut down until ice is defunded. We do not need the federal government.".
- "you guys have to defund ice. They are modern day kukluxklam army terrorizing and murdering and injuring americans every day!!".
- "we need to make ice funding decrease, and health care funding replace it. Millions of american citizens are going to win lawsuits against ice because of their lawlessness. Our tax money pays the legal settlements. It is fiscally responsible to defund trumps gestapo.".
- "dems should shut it down october 1st and ice can work for free. Government isnt reopened until ice is defunded and repurposed with oversight and a restricted mission only at the border. Transfer ice funds for rural health and medicaid.".
5. ICE como herramienta política y la necesidad de rendición de cuentas.
Se argumenta que ICE se ha convertido en una herramienta política utilizada para intimidar y reprimir a ciertos grupos, y se exige que sus agentes rindan cuentas por sus acciones.
- "ice used to be a legitimate immigration enforcement agency until trump turned it into his own political intimidation group of thugs to do his dirty work and stifle dissent so he can profit from his corruption. Shutdown ice to shutdown trump".
- "hopefully soon there will be a president and a congress controlled by the democratic party. The bill comes due. Always! many ice agents must be held accountable. Criminally. Ice must be disbanded.".
- "you guys have to defund ice. They are modern day kukluxklam army terrorizing and murdering and injuring americans every day!!".