1. La Ficción Literaria como un Género Más.
Una idea recurrente es que la "ficción literaria" no es una categoría superior, sino simplemente otro género con sus propias convenciones, tropos y clichés, al igual que la ciencia ficción, el romance o el misterio.
- Also i'd like to point out: literary fiction is also a genre. It's not the magic ideal genre and there's a lot of really crappy, pointless books in it, as with any genre.
- Wait, is it just accepted that literary fiction is just a genre like any other now? that was my comtrarian take for years.
- “literary” fiction is every bit a “genre” with its own assumptions and tropes and methods as anything else.
- All fiction is genre in that genre is all about understanding works in the context of other works. Therefore literary is a genre and trying to think about it as a level of maturity or talent is idiotic;
2. Crítica al Esnobismo y la Exclusión.
Muchos participantes expresan su frustración con el elitismo asociado al término "ficción literaria", viéndolo como una herramienta de exclusión y esnobismo que denigra injustamente a otros géneros y a sus lectores.
- "literary fiction" as a term always made me roll my eyes, tbh. It reeks of respectability.
- "literary fiction" always feels less catch-all, and more intentional exclusionary. "this fiction has cultural worth(tm), not like the smelly *genre* fiction having fun over there".
- The distinction between "literary fiction" and genre fiction is punk-ass gatekeeping.
- You get something similar with “literary” fiction vs “genre” fiction? except while the litfic people will sneeringly tell anyone who’ll listen how much better they are than those sci-fi schlock authors or - heaven forbid - romance - they also don’t write in those genres.
3. La Vaguedad de las Definiciones.
Existe un consenso sobre la dificultad de definir qué es exactamente la "ficción literaria". La etiqueta se percibe como nebulosa, subjetiva y, a menudo, inútil para describir el contenido real de un libro.
- My biggest problem with literary fiction is how nebulous i find it as a genre definition, like what actually fits under it but this might just be because i'm a sff writer, and even then genres are weird categories on the face level.
- If we're starting discourse can we talk about wtf is literary fiction, anyway? i feel like i know the vibe but don't have a good definition (beyond my personal feeling that it is mostly boring, overly pretentious naval gazing).
- Yeah, i read loads of novels, but i don’t know which, if any, would qualify as “literary fiction,” and what does that even mean? it usually seems to vaguely mean either “fiction, but no fun allowed”.
- The label "literary fiction" cannot be useful for any purpose, other than recreational snobbery.
4. Defensa de la Ficción de Género.
Se defiende firmemente el valor y la calidad de la ficción de género. Se argumenta que novelas bien escritas de ciencia ficción, fantasía, romance o crimen pueden tener la misma profundidad y mérito artístico que cualquier obra etiquetada como "literaria".
- Can we please stop supporting the notion that literary fiction is somehow a "higher" art. Well written genre novels have the same depth, breadth and longitude as literary fiction.
- The idea that "genre" fiction is somehow bad has always been laughable to me. Says a lot more about the person making the claim than the books themselves.
- I think people who dismiss genre fiction out of hand are ignorant. I think people who dismiss literary fiction out of hand are just as ignorant.
- Sadly, there are still a lot of people who refuse to believe that genre fiction can be good or literary. I have gotten in to many arguments with people when i mentioned that borges was a genre fiction writer.
5. Una Distinción Artificial y Obsoleta.
La conclusión general es que la dicotomía entre ficción "literaria" y "de género" es falsa, problemática y obsoleta. Se considera una construcción sin sentido que no refleja la realidad actual de la literatura y que debería abandonarse en las discusiones serias sobre ficción.
- What i'm getting at is that the distinction between "genre fiction" and "literary fiction" is a bunch of nonsense that doesn't belong in any serious discussion of fiction.
- Of course literary/genre fiction is a false and problematic distinction.
- Honestly the tropes about both literary and genre fiction are outdated and don't really describe the state of play in either space.
- The hill that i'm dying on today is that all fiction is genre fiction, and that includes you, literary fiction.