1. La Ficción como Espacio Seguro para Explorar lo Tabú.
La postura dominante defiende la ficción como un ámbito completamente separado de la realidad, donde no se causa daño real. Se considera un espacio vital para explorar fantasías, traumas y temas complejos o moralmente ambiguos de forma segura, argumentando que el gusto por ciertos temas ficticios no equivale a condonarlos en la vida real.
- Fiction is a safe space to explore taboo topics and no real people are hurt.
- I don't care what people fantasize about or write about. If they are nothing doing those things in real life, i simply do not see it as a moral issue. Fiction can be used to explore everything from impossible sexual fantasies to trauma.
- The shit you hate? lolicon, shotacon, gore, bestiality, etc, when present in fiction? that has to be protected. And you have to be okay about it.
- As long as it is fiction, it is hurting nobody. Fictional characters are not real people. They are dolls to play with, some people play nasty and that doesn’t mean you have to, but you also don’t get to rip their dolls away for it like an immature child.
- Also the fact morality policers don't seem to understand that us kinky fucks know it's wrong to do our most messed up shit irl.that literally why we write the fiction. Because that shit would be wrong to actually do.
2. El Argumento Contrapuesto: "La Ficción Afecta la Realidad".
Una contraparte significativa del debate sostiene que la ficción no existe en un vacío y puede tener consecuencias reales. Esta perspectiva argumenta que la normalización y glorificación de temas como el abuso, la pedofilia o la violencia en la ficción puede desensibilizar a la audiencia, crear espacios seguros para depredadores reales y afectar negativamente a las víctimas de dichos actos.
- Fiction affects reality. If a bad idea is glorified enough, it can and will affect the wrong people.
- I find it so funny when people defend proship by saying “its just fiction!” when some people live that reality every day and someone somewhere is going to take it less seriously when pedophilia, zoophilia, and rape are ‘normalized’ by these people and media.
- Not liking a lot of the "it's fictional, it doesn't matter" going around because, like… reality feeds fiction feeds reality. Lolicon pedo shit and incel rape fantasies shouldn't be allowed to be normalized, and those are the exact people that started this narrative.
- 'its just fiction!!1!!' cry the people making safe spaces online for actual pedophiles and zoophiles bc that is literally what you are doing when you make art like that. You are giving those people safe spaces online and thats really fucking weird and gross of you actually!
- The fiction doesnt affect reality argument falls apart because why the fuck do most proship artists (toonimal, bigworld ect) end up becoming active paraphiles, anyone consuming shit like lolisho needs to think long and hard about the monsters and victims it creates.
3. La Lucha Contra la Censura y la "Cultura de la Pureza".
Existe un temor generalizado a que la regulación de contenidos ficticios sea una pendiente resbaladiza hacia la censura total. Los usuarios advierten que prohibir temas considerados "inmorales" o "asquerosos" abre la puerta a que ideologías puritanas o fascistas censuren cualquier tipo de expresión, incluyendo el arte queer, el kink y cualquier contenido que desafíe las normas conservadoras.
- Do certain fictional kinks make you uncomfortable? well, the thought of someone else defining what *fiction* you're allowed to create and share should be way more concerning. You can always mute/ignore certain types of art, but you can't put the censorship genie back in the bottle once it's out.
- The moment you try to start censoring fiction, you're opening it up to people using that to take it further and push their puritanical ideals that affect so many groups of people. This is why all fiction needs to be allowed to exist. Yes, even the things you don't morally agree with.
- Let me save you some time: there is no fiction gross enough to make me okay with book burning, banning, and censorship. If there are no in real life children or animals being exploited, i don't care.
- Another reminder that lolisho is the canary in the coal mine for censorship. You don't have to like it, it usually makes me uncomfortable too. But if you can't separate fiction vs reality for that, it'll fall apart for everything else too.
- When someone says "i dislike this particular kind of fiction, so you should not have access to it" there is nothing stopping some religious nut making *an identical argument from their point of view* that. There shouldn't be gay people, or trans people, or *any* kinky shit in fiction.
4. Límites Personales vs. Prohibición General.
Muchos participantes abogan por la responsabilidad individual en lugar de la prohibición colectiva. Se promueve el uso de herramientas como etiquetas, advertencias de contenido, bloqueo y silenciamiento para que cada usuario pueda curar su propia experiencia. Se distingue entre la incomodidad personal, que es válida, y la afirmación de que un contenido no debería existir para nadie, lo cual se considera una postura autoritaria e inmadura.
- It's okay to have boundaries regarding what fiction you personally can and can't handle seeing or interacting with. It's not okay to accuse people of real life abuse just because they interact with different fiction from you. Internalize this.
- See this is why i love content warning/tagging systems. Bc i would argue fiction absolutely can hurt you, but guess what i have the power to. Y’know. Choose not to interact with things that would hurt me, and still let other people enjoy them! “this is bad *for me*” does not equal “this is bad.”.
- You should be able to freely express your discomfort with a work of fiction, absolutely, but making the claim that it shouldn't exist because it made you personally uncomfortable is so emotionally immature. It's embarrassing to witness.
- Ironic coming from me, i know, but more people gotta realize the power of shutting up. You're uncomfortable with a type of fiction? perfectly fine! everyone has limits. Oh, wait, you're calling people pedophiles or insinuating they're a danger over fiction? now you're putting people at risk.
- Remember if you do not like something you can do the adult thing and ignore it, act like it doesnt exist; if its not real and its not actually hurting anyone, it doesnt matter. Fiction is fiction and reality is reality and people really need to start understanding theres a hard line between the two.