1. Distinción Fundamental: Social Democracia vs. Socialismo Democrático.
El archivo revela una intensa disputa sobre las definiciones. La Social Democracia (SocDem) es consistentemente definida como un sistema capitalista con fuertes redes de seguridad y regulación (el "modelo nórdico"). El Socialismo Democrático (DemSoc), en cambio, es visto por muchos como un compromiso para abolir el capitalismo y establecer la propiedad social de los medios de producción por medios democráticos.
- Respectfully, social democracy is not democratic socialism. Social democracy is not socialism. Its capitalism with safety nets.
- Social democracy seeks to uphold the framework of capitalism, so its demonstrably worse that democratic socialism which in and of itself is still too reliant upon hierarchies and the state.
- Democratic socialism is socialism by democratic means rather than revolution. Social democracy is a capitalist economy with strong social programs and corporate regulation.
- Social democracy and democratic socialism are not the same thing social democracy seeks to regulate capitalism according to socialist values and sentiment, whereas democratic socialism seeks capitalisms abolition while retaining a political democracy.
2. Social Democracia: Capitalismo con Redes de Seguridad.
La Social Democracia es frecuentemente asociada con el modelo nórdico (Suecia, Noruega, Dinamarca), caracterizado por una economía de mercado con un estado de bienestar robusto. Se enfatiza que, a pesar de sus programas sociales, sigue siendo fundamentalmente capitalista y no busca la abolición del sistema de mercado.
- Norway is a social democracy and it is still capitalism .
- Social democracy is capitalism with a robust safety net.
- Social democracy is a form of capitalism, though. I agree with stellan skarsgard in principle, but i think he fell into a similar definition trap.
- Social democracy is a balance of capitalism and social public programs. Its not perfect but its a hell of alot better than authoritarianism.
3. Socialismo Democrático y la Búsqueda de la Democracia Económica.
El Socialismo Democrático es a menudo defendido como la expansión de la democracia al ámbito económico, buscando la propiedad colectiva o democrática de los medios de producción. Se argumenta que la verdadera democracia política es imposible sin la democracia económica, y que el socialismo es inherentemente democrático.
- Socialism is economic democracy. Removal of the divide between owner and worker by the means of production.
- Socialism is public ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Social democracy is capitalism with a human face.
- Socialism is when the public owns the means of production and theres democracy in the workplace when society is geared toward social goals instead of private profits.
- To be a democratic socialist is to go further than a progressive and say that true democracy cant coexist with concentrated economic power.
4. Confusión Terminológica y Propaganda Política.
Existe una frustración generalizada por la confusión de términos, especialmente en EE. UU., donde la Social Democracia es a menudo etiquetada erróneamente como "socialismo" o "comunismo" por la derecha, lo que dificulta el debate sobre políticas progresistas y la adopción de modelos europeos exitosos.
- One of the most successful pieces of propaganda by the us right, is coining the term democratic socialism emphasis on scary socialism instead of social democracy emphasis on democracy used everywhere else.
- In america, people think social democracy is some kind of communism. They think capitalism is freedom. Its not. Its only freedom to exploit people.
- If all you mean by democratic socialism is social democracy then youre just spreading confusion about what socialism is.
- I wish they called it social democracy and not democratic socialism. For those who dont think intelligent and astute self-labeling isnt important, it damn well is.